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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But patients are denied care now. My insurance just denied me the shingles vaccine. Insurance companies routinely deny care. Those without insurance put off (self deny) care because of cost until it becomes much more serious then show up at the ER. The denial of care is not an argument that rings true with the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But patients are denied care now. My insurance just denied me the shingles vaccine. Insurance companies routinely deny care. Those without insurance put off (self deny) care because of cost until it becomes much more serious then show up at the ER. The denial of care is not an argument that rings true with the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Today&#8217;s Must Reads: Health Care Edition &#171; Brian Simpson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Today&#8217;s Must Reads: Health Care Edition &#171; Brian Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Must Reads: Health Care&#160;Edition Social Cost &#8211; John Goodman Social cost is the sum of all the individual costs. That is, it&#8217;s the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Must Reads: Health Care&nbsp;Edition Social Cost &#8211; John Goodman Social cost is the sum of all the individual costs. That is, it&#8217;s the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Agnew</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Agnew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we ever get Government healthcare then it MUST apply equally to EVERYONE from the President down with no exceptions.  It is about time that government employees join the working class.  Then we will see just how anxious our politicians are to pass the legislation.

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we ever get Government healthcare then it MUST apply equally to EVERYONE from the President down with no exceptions.  It is about time that government employees join the working class.  Then we will see just how anxious our politicians are to pass the legislation.</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Ingles</title>
		<link>http://www.john-goodman-blog.com/social-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-43691</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Rose: Good column, and good point about the fallacy of composition.  Although one could argue that combining small purchasers&#039; bargaining power (by whatever means) would tend to push costs back onto existing large players.

Take drug prices, for example.  Either the British and Canadians would have to begin paying some of the fixed costs, or new drug development would halt completely.  I wonder which would happen first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Rose: Good column, and good point about the fallacy of composition.  Although one could argue that combining small purchasers&#8217; bargaining power (by whatever means) would tend to push costs back onto existing large players.</p>
<p>Take drug prices, for example.  Either the British and Canadians would have to begin paying some of the fixed costs, or new drug development would halt completely.  I wonder which would happen first?</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph F. Weber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph F. Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,
 
Reducing reimbursement rates will not bring down costs. An accountant may believe that but a good economist knows better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Reducing reimbursement rates will not bring down costs. An accountant may believe that but a good economist knows better.</p>
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		<title>By: Brant Mittler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brant Mittler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:

The problem with so-called &quot;market forces&quot; such as private health insurance/HMOs is that it has screwed both doctors and patients, too. Managed care has achieved oligopsonistic power in most big cities. The reality is that political leaders of all persuasions have decided that doctors make too much money and patients get too much care. So they are &quot;fixin&quot; to pass laws to pay doctors less and ration care with a vengeance. It&#039;s going to be great for the insurance execs who do the dirty work for the politicians. As I suggested many years ago, time to read Robert Jay Lifton&#039;s The Genocidal Mentality.  The elderly many “ethicists&quot; have concluded lead lives not worth living. There will be plenty of doctors with a lot of medical school debt and political ambition to do their political bidding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:</p>
<p>The problem with so-called &#8220;market forces&#8221; such as private health insurance/HMOs is that it has screwed both doctors and patients, too. Managed care has achieved oligopsonistic power in most big cities. The reality is that political leaders of all persuasions have decided that doctors make too much money and patients get too much care. So they are &#8220;fixin&#8221; to pass laws to pay doctors less and ration care with a vengeance. It&#8217;s going to be great for the insurance execs who do the dirty work for the politicians. As I suggested many years ago, time to read Robert Jay Lifton&#8217;s The Genocidal Mentality.  The elderly many “ethicists&#8221; have concluded lead lives not worth living. There will be plenty of doctors with a lot of medical school debt and political ambition to do their political bidding.</p>
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		<title>By: David C. Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C. Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John:&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Regarding Krugman&#8217;s argument, it&#8217;s d&#233;j&#224; vu all over again. I agree with yours and Mankiw&#8217;s arguments, but I think you are working too hard.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;See &lt;a href=&quot;/wp-content/uploads/Non-image Files/Fallacious Reasoning Mars Health Plan.doc&quot; title=&quot;Fallacious Arguments&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my editorial&lt;/a&gt; &#8211; which made the rounds on capital hill in the last health care revolution scare and put an end to alliance language within in days &#8211; for a more direct argument to the same effect.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:</p>
<p>Regarding Krugman&rsquo;s argument, it&rsquo;s d&eacute;j&agrave; vu all over again. I agree with yours and Mankiw&rsquo;s arguments, but I think you are working too hard.</p>
<p>See <a href="/wp-content/uploads/Non-image Files/Fallacious Reasoning Mars Health Plan.doc" title="Fallacious Arguments" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">my editorial</a> &ndash; which made the rounds on capital hill in the last health care revolution scare and put an end to alliance language within in days &ndash; for a more direct argument to the same effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart Ingles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart Ingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;My assessment of the Noble prizes is that it a political prize.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you look at the list of prior names, people like Arrow and Friedman, it&#039;s clear that it hasn&#039;t always been.  Maybe an outspoken progressive with a regular column in the Times was just too much for the committee to resist.  It&#039;s about what I would have expected for the Peace Prize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>My assessment of the Noble prizes is that it a political prize.</p></blockquote>
<p>If you look at the list of prior names, people like Arrow and Friedman, it&#8217;s clear that it hasn&#8217;t always been.  Maybe an outspoken progressive with a regular column in the Times was just too much for the committee to resist.  It&#8217;s about what I would have expected for the Peace Prize.</p>
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		<title>By: Health Care BS - SOCIAL COST &#38; PRICE CONTROLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Health Care BS - SOCIAL COST &#38; PRICE CONTROLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Goodman explains why price controls, whether they take the form of payment cuts to doctors, hospitals or some other [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Terry Gannon</title>
		<link>http://www.john-goodman-blog.com/social-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-43677</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Gannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monopolies are seen as bad these days, unless they are government backed or driven.   Why would monopsony be any different in the value being a net negative?   Certainly to the economist the notion of a monopoly being unstable over time in a free market is a no brainer.   Why did Krugman win the Nobel Prize for Economics?  My assessment of the Noble prizes is that it a political prize.   We are being tested folks as to how much we are willing to do to peacefully fight for our freedoms.  Is it time to ramp this effort up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monopolies are seen as bad these days, unless they are government backed or driven.   Why would monopsony be any different in the value being a net negative?   Certainly to the economist the notion of a monopoly being unstable over time in a free market is a no brainer.   Why did Krugman win the Nobel Prize for Economics?  My assessment of the Noble prizes is that it a political prize.   We are being tested folks as to how much we are willing to do to peacefully fight for our freedoms.  Is it time to ramp this effort up.</p>
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